Transfer / Advising

With the availability of on-line information, and dial-up registration, more and more students are registering for courses without advising. For many students this has led to poor grades, unnecessary withdrawals, and delays in graduation.

We hope you use this page to avoid some of the more common pitfalls. Nevertheless the most important rule for negotiating your college career is...

DO NOT SELF-ADVISE

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The topics covered are:

  • Transfer Advisor

  • General advising tips.

  • Success in physics courses

  • Prerequisites and advising notes: Read these comments to help you decide if you are ready for the course.
    P100 P104 P109 P114 P115 P116 P121 P122 P123 P225

  • Audience: Who is the course designed for? These comments describe target student populations for each course.
    P100 P104 P109 P114 P115 P116 P121 P122 P123 P225

  • Transfer issues: How do our courses transfer to other schools? Look here for transfer links.
    P100 P104 P109 P114 P115 P116 P121 P122 P123 P225

  • Detailed course topics: A list of topics covered in each course. Slight variation may occur from quarter to quarter. Consult your instructors syllabus for details once class has begun.
    P100 P104 P109 P114 P115 P116 P121 P122 P123 P225
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    Transfer advisor.

    The Science Division has a full time transfer advisor to counsel students planning a transfer to another baccalaureate (BA) granting institution. Stop by and visit:

     

    Donna S. Sharpe, M.A.

    Academic Counselor

    Science Division L 200

    425-564-2321




    General advising tips.

    Getting good advice involves two steps.

    Find the right source: Do not ask a division secretary about a subtle financial aid question. Do not ask student services whether your knowledge of mathematics is good enough for a particular physics course. Do not ask anyone at BC if your credits from XYZ college will transfer to PZU University. Try to find out who makes the decision or policy and ask your questions in that department/ division.

    Persistence: Your question may seem simple to you but involve complexities you had not realized. Be prepared for a discussion. Ask your question in several different ways. Listen to the answers and try to learn about the underlying system. Remember each department, college, and university, organizes itself differently from the others. What you have learned in one context may not apply to the current question. Finally, be polite. There is a saying about catching more flies with honey...




    Success in physics courses.

    To be successful in physics, a student must learn to view and interpret the world in a new way. As you progress in physics you will come to believe that you can understand most things that happen around you. You will have the skills and knowledge to draw these conclusions and will not have to rely on "experts". In physics courses you will acquire concepts for which mathematics is the most natural expression. Further, mathematics will become a primary reasoning tool as you analyze the world around you.


    To get the most of your physics experience it may be helpful to think of each course as being three classes taught simultaneously. Your instructor will be presenting the course content which is based on physical experience and is often described mathematically.

    Course content .

    Physical experience .


    Mathematics .

    The comments above present an overview. You can also link to more specific advice about Study tips here or here and problem solving strategies. Also the physics career pages on our site have additional advice as you continue your studies in physics.

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    Prerequisites and Advising Notes

    Phys& 100


    Prerequisites : Math 099 or equivalent.

    Comments : Basic algebra operations are used in this course. Fluency with math at this level will produce a distinct edge over students who are less comfortable with these skills.

    Running start students: If you plan a career in science you should not take this course instead of your high school physics course. One quarter of physics is not enough time to serve your long term needs. Other running start students will find this course a good choice.



    Physics 104


    Prerequisites : Math 099 or equivalent.

    Comments : Basic algebra operations are a must for this course. Some rustiness can be overcome during the course, but you will want to apply yourself to this early on.

    Note for ESL students. This course demands frequent verbal and written communication.

    Running start students: If you plan a career in science you should not take this course instead of your High school physics course. One quarter is not enough time to serve your needs. Other running start students will find this a good choice.



    Physics 109


    Prerequisites : Math 098 or equivalent assessment.



    Physics 114


    Prerequisites : Math& 142 (Prev. Math 120) or equivalent.
    Recommended Physics 104 or High School Physics .

    Comments : At the level of Physics 114, essential mathematics includes algebra, geometry and basic trigonometry. Students who are not relatively fluent with these mathematical tools can survive physics 114 but they will spend much of their effort struggling with the "grammar" rather than the content of the subject. One topic more than any other is a sticking point in this course - vector operations. A very nice workbook on vectors is available in the bookstore and can be productively studied before the course begins.

    If you have been a science avoider, or are particularly anxious about your science background, you will probably want to take P104 before taking P114. P104 provides a hands-on introduction to three of the principle topics from the P114 - P116 sequence. You will encounter the approach and outlook of the discipline, discover some basic physical principles on your own, and be prepared for three important topics along the way.

    Physics 115


    Prerequisites : Physics 114 and its prerequisites [Math& 142 (Prev. Math 120) or equivalent. Physics 104 or High School Physics recommended].

    Comments : You will simply not succeed in this course without taking P114 first. P115 makes almost daily use of the concepts from P114. (Keep this in mind as you study P114.)

    Physics 116


    Prerequisites : Physics 115 and its prerequisites [Physics 114 and Math& 142 (Prev. Math 120) or equivalent. P104 or High School Physics recommended].

    Comments : see above:



    Physics 121


    Prerequisites : Math 151 (Prev. Math 124)(calculus) or equivalent.
    Strongly Recommended: High School Physics

    Comments : Completion of a quarter of The Calculus is a key element for success in this course. You should not attempt to take them together. Our most common student remark is that without taking the courses at the same time the student will not be able to finish in time. In nearly every case these students expect to transfer to very competitive programs and consequently need the highest grades they can attain. That goal will simply not be met even by most top flight students who attempt the two courses concurrently. The student typically finds they have to re-take the course and so they do not finish in time anyway. If you have any question about this discuss it with a physics instructor early on.

    For students with a science background or strong physical intuition calculus may be the only preparation you need for P121. Consult a faculty member for more details.

    If you have been a science avoider, or are particularly anxious about your science background, you will probably want to take P104 or P114 before taking P121. But please note the following: Neither course is considered a proper introduction to P121. We do not offer a prep course specifically for P121 at BC . A discussion of three possible choices is provided here. Discuss this with an advisor.


    Take P104. The emphasis in P104 is hands-on exposure to physics. The small group activities illustrate the thinking process and approach that uniquely marks the discipline. The style of the course is very different from lecture classes and is a favorite of students who have previously avoided science. You will be introduced to the basic tools of physics but a significant mathematical gap remains between this course and the tools you need for P121. P104 also provides an introduction to three of the principle topics across the P121 - P123 sequence (optics, electricity, and motion). This choice may be most suitable if you are still getting your math background in line (you are currently taking math 142 or below)

    Take P114. P114 covers nearly the same topics as P121 but with slightly reduced mathematical rigor. It is better to view P114 as the same course with a different audience than it is to think of P114 as a preparatory sequence for P121. If you have strong algebra and trigonometry skills but are very nervous about your physics, P114 may be preferred over P104 before starting the calculus based sequence. Keep in mind though that P114 is not a survey course. It only focuses on mechanics (like P121) so that you will find the content in P122 and P123 to be completely new. To prepare completely using the algebra based courses would properly involve taking the entire sequence P114 -P116. Taking the whole sequence is not generally recommended because it is almost certainly more time and money than is needed. P114 by itself introduces many fundamental concepts and skills that will assist you through the whole year of physics, and so is not too bad a choice by itself. If you are nervous about physics, the question of how to prepare for P121 is best done with the advice of a physics faculty member.

    Take lots of math. If you have already completed M153 (the full year of calculus) P104 becomes less advised because you will find the time spent on polishing math skills to be far below you. Even the benefit of hands on learning probably will not outweigh this effect. Furthermore, you have acquired other skills that put you in advance of other P121 students. Thus, the time your classmates spend in acquiring the mathematical proficiency they need, you can devote to your weak science background. Reading a good conceptual physics book on the side is a good accompaniment here. This plan has been successful for others in your position. It is again best if you discuss your background with a faculty member.

    Physics 122


    Prerequisites : Math 152 (Prev. Math 125), Physics 121 and its prerequisites (Math151. or equivalent. High School Physics recommended).

    Comments : This is not an idle prerequisite. Do not take these courses out of order. You will simply not succeed in this course without taking P121 first (see comment for P114). Each course builds directly on the previous one. Without that background you will be completely lost. Keep this in mind as you study P121.

    Physics 123


    Prerequisites : Physics 122 and its prerequisites Math 152 (Prev. Math 125), Physics 121 and Math 151 (Prev. Math 124). Concurrent registration in a math class following Math 152 and High School Physics are recommended.

    Comments : see comment above:



    Physics 225


    Prerequisites : Physics 123, Math 153 (Prev. Math 126) or Math 254 (Prev. Math 227).
    Recommended or Concurrent Registration: Math 238

    Comments : In this course you will need to be able to use your math skills to talk about the world (math as language). This requires both breadth of knowledge and fluency. Discuss your background with the instructor to help decide if you are prepared for this course.


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    Audience for Physics Courses

    Who takes these courses? Is this course right for me?

    Physics& 100

    Non-science majors who are exploring their interests and want a survey of many topics in physics are one target population for Phys& 100. Also students who need a science course for general education requirements and students who need a physics course to prepare for diagnostic imaging take this course. This course provides some support for students who have avoided science by employing some nontraditional instruction methods and support for group learning. Running start students are good candidates if they do not plan a career in science. See a more detailed discussion below.

    Both Phys& 100 and Phys 104 attract explortory students. This course paints a broader canvas and is perhaps somewhat less rigorous as a result. You will see more topics in less detail but you will get a broader view of the field of physics. As in 104 students will discover that they can actually do science but in this course the number of occasions for this accomplishment is reduced .

    Students preparing for the Diagnostic Ultrasound program will take Phys& 100 to get a preliminary exposure to scientific thinking and some specific knowledge about motion, physical reasoning and an introduction to wave phenomena. Students who are comfortable with their math skills and problem solving abilities will prefer this course for the specific treatment of waves. Others may want to take Phys 104 instead (see below).

    Running start students who do not plan a science career but want a rounded education will find this a good course. However if science is in your future, your own high school physics course is better because it will give you more in depth practice. This latter group should not take P100 to replace their high school course.




    Physics 104

    Non-science majors who have avoided science enjoy this class because of the nontraditional class structure and group learning environment. This same feature demands regular attendance for success.

    Physics 104 course is primarily for students Who want are preparing for P114. Many students who have little exposure to science and are preparing for P121 also take this course. Be advised P104 by itself is not considered sufficient preparation for P121.

    Students preparing for the Diagnostic Ultrasound program will take P104 to get solid exposure to scientific thinking and problem solving skills. The nontraditional class structure and group learning environment make this an excellent choice for students weak in science background or for students who have been away from school for a long time. Both the light and motion sections contain topics useful to these students but there is no specific instruction on wave phenomena.

    Running start students who do not plan a science career but still have a stong interest in science will find this a good course. However if considerable science is in your future, your own high school physics course is better because it will introduce you to more concepts. This latter group should not take P104 to replace that class however it can supplement the high school course with hand-on and physical reasoning experience. A physics instructor will be happy to discuss your background and goals in detail to help you decide if this is a good choice for you.



    Physics 109

    This course is primarily focused on the needs of Information Technology students. Many general degree students also take this course because it satisfies a science credit and provides valuable insight into modern technology. "Now I really understand what my computer is doing" has been the pleased response of most students taking the course.



    Physics 114

    This may be the right course for you if you are preparing for careers in biology or health sciences. Some particular examples are: Biology, Wildlife Science, Physical therapy, Some nursing programs and naturopathic programs, etc.)

    Pre-professional programs (pre-medical, Pre- Dental, Pre- Veterinary) require the whole sequence.

    Some programs only require the first quarter of the sequence. Occupational therapy, Forestry, and Building and Construction Management.

    The sequence is recommended (but not required) for Botany, Fisheries, and Medical Technology.

    Non-science majors looking for a comprehensive survey of physics generally take this sequence. You will want the whole sequence to cover all the topics.

    Students preparing for P121 often take P114 as there is no course that specifically serves this need. However this is only one of several ways to prepare for P121. See the comments following P121 Prerequisites for details.

    Physics 115

    See audience for Physics 114 (above)

    Physics 116

    See audience for Physics 114 (above)



    Physics 121

    The calculus based physics sequence (P121-P123) is required by all physics and Engineering programs and by most Computer Science programs.

    You will also want this course if your major is one of the physical sciences (Chemistry, Oceanography, Geology, Atmospheric Sciences or Astronomy). Some programs will accept the algebra based sequence (P114-P116), but this is not common. Check with your expected transfer institution.

    Strong Science students in other disciplines often take this course because it is more rigorous and detailed than the Algebra Based Sequence (P114-P116). Some disciplines that look favorably on this choice are: Zoology, Molecular and Cellular Biology, and any pre-med program.

    Physics 122

    See above

    Physics 123

    See above

     



    Physics 225

    This course is for science majors who want an introduction to modern physics. The course examines the revolution in thought that occured during the twentieth century breaking from classical views. Any strong student of science will find a basis in this course for understanding the main ideas of modern science. Physics majors will want this course to prepare for upper division work in quantum mechanics and reletivity.


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    Transfer Issues

    You can check transfer equivilencies at The University of Washington and at Washington State University on their respective transfer web sites.

    University of Washington equivilencies: Main menu, Bellevue.
    Washington State University equivilencies: Main menu, Use the pulldown menu here to choose Bellevue College.

    Physics& 100


    Transfers as General Science credit (non-lab) to UW and as an equivalent course in most other Washington colleges. :


    Physics 104


    Transfers as General Science credit (lab) to UW and as an equivalent course in most other Washington colleges. :



    Physics 109


    Transfers as General Science credit (lab) to UW and as an equivalent course in most other Washington colleges.



    Physics 114


    Physics 114 is a Laboratory Science Course. It transfers as Physics 114 + Physics 117 (the Lab section) at UW and as equivalent courses in most other Washington colleges. Note that our courses are six credits and the corresponding UW pair is only five credits. UW will not transfer this class as a six credit class.

    This course may transfer as the first semester physics course at a college using the semester system, however you are more likely to need P114 and P115 together to make an equivalent course. For example the pairs 114/115 and 115/116 transfer to WSU as each of their successive one semester courses, and all three will transfer as the full year at WSU, but individually they only count as generral science credit.

    Physics 115


    Physics 115 is a Laboratory Science Course. It transfers as Physics 115 + Physics 118 (the Lab section) at UW and as equivalent courses in most other Washington colleges. This course probably will not transfer directly to a college using the semester system without one or both of P114 and P116. Contact the college of interest for details

    Physics 116


    Physics 116 is a Laboratory Science Course. It transfers as Physics 116 + Physics 119 (the Lab section) at UW and as equivalent courses in most other Washington colleges. This course may transfer as the second semester physics course at a college using the semester system, however you are more likely to need P115 and P116 together to make an equivalent course.



    Physics 121


    Physics 121 is a Laboratory Science Course. It transfers as Physics 121 at UW and as equivalent courses in most other Washington colleges. Note that our courses are six credits and the corresponding UW pair is only five credits. UW will not transfer this class as a six credit class. This course may transfer as the first semester physics course at a college using the semester system, however you are more likely to need P121 and P122 together to make an equivalent course.

    Physics 122


    Physics 122 is a Laboratory Science Course. It transfers as Physics 122 at UW and as equivalent courses in most other Washington colleges. This course probably will not transfer directly to a college using the semester system without one or both of P121 and P123. Contact the college of interest for details

    Physics 123


    Physics 123 is a Laboratory Science Course. It transfers as Physics 123 at UW and as equivalent courses in most other Washington colleges. This course may transfer as the second semester physics course at a college using the semester system, however you are more likely to need P122 and P123 together to make an equivalent course.

    Physics 225


    Physics 225 is a non-lab Science Course. It transfers as Physics 225 at UW and as equivalent courses in most other Washington colleges. This course may transfer as the second year physics course at a college using the semester system.

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